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Title: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yui on 06 November 2016, 19:53:12
Discuss it here!

The magatama would trigger if Phoenix asked a person if they had amnesia and they said "yes" when in truth they didn't right?

But it wouldn't trigger if Phoenix asked the question and they really have amnesia?

And if they can't remember something and a question is asked, would that trigger Psycholocks?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: KarjamP on 06 November 2016, 20:14:19
A) Pysche-locks appear whenever someone;s trying to hide something in their hearts. Thus, it doesn't matter if they say "Yes". As long as they're trying to hide somything, psyche-locks will appear.

B) An amnesiac has nothing to hide. Thus, Psyche-locks will not appear.

C) Psycho-locks is just what Mr. Edgeworth called it. They're not separate from the main Psyche-lock. (Fun fact: they really are called Psycho-locks in Japan.)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yui on 06 November 2016, 20:41:06
Quote from: KarjamP on 06 November 2016, 20:14:19
A) Pysche-locks appear whenever someone;s trying to hide something in their hearts. Thus, it doesn't matter if they say "Yes". As long as they're trying to hide somything, psyche-locks will appear.
Then I suppose… * five Psycho-Locks appear *
I'm going psycho. * stabs thread *

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Quote from: KarjamP on 06 November 2016, 20:14:19
B) An amnesiac has nothing to hide. Thus, Psyche-locks will not appear.
Ah.

Are those red or black? The black ones being for things the person are hiding without knowing it or something such?

Quote from: KarjamP on 06 November 2016, 20:14:19
C) Psycho-locks is just what Mr. Edgeworth called it. They're not separate from the main Psyche-lock. (Fun fact: they really are called Psycho-locks in Japan.)
Drew Misham also called them "Psycholocks" in Apollo Justice (when Phoenix was involved).

I get why they got "Psycho" instead of "Psyche" though. The pronunciations are almost similar.



I wonder if it's possible for someone who has a Magatama themselves to have Psyche-Locks appear, only for them to realize it and then break them all.

Like. Phoenix asks someone a question. Psyche-Locks appear. Said someone notices these (carrying their own Magatama), and the locks shatter because they decide to stop hiding something inside their hearts.

…

Of course, if the Heartless travel through works to get those hearts…
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: KarjamP on 07 November 2016, 06:59:30
I believe theh must be aware of it in some form or another in order for them to gain black psyche-locks. Those people underwent events so traumatizing, they unsubconciously lock it deep inside their own hearts, effectively making it so that they're keeping secrets even from themselves.

There had only ever beem two such examples of black psyche-locks appearing. One, it was because the character in question was apparently so paranoid about whatever he's doing, he's keeping secrets even he's not aware of. The second was due to an incredibly traumatizing event.

And I believe that incidemt in Apollo Justice may had been a translation mistake.

And I actually doubt those aware of the Magatama's powers would shatter their own psyche-locks just like that, especially not if it's so,ething like around 5. The amount of psyche-locks represent their resolve in keeping the secret. The higher thr amount, the bigger the resolve. (And while a big resolve was instantly shattered when Phoenix gave the one who has is an item she really had wanted, this was played for laughs as it showed just how badly she wanted it.)

Incidentally, the Magatama is not fool-proof. There's nothing stopping a person from piling a lie right after their psyche-locks had been shattered, passing it off as them no longer hiding anything. This is exactly what The Phantom did in Dual Destinies when he had inadvertantly triggered Phoenix's Magatama.

In addition, if the person really does believe a falsehood deep inside their hearts, even if said falsehood happens to be "they did nothing wrong" {when they actually did}, they won't be hiding anything and thus, won't trigger Phoenix's Magatama. This is exactly why it didn't work at first when Phoenix tried to use it on Matt Engarde - as a sociopath, complete with all that implies, Matt really did believe he didn't commit murder {even though it was him who ordered the killing in the first place}.)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yui on 07 November 2016, 09:33:53
Quote from: KarjamP on 07 November 2016, 06:59:30
I believe theh must be aware of it in some form or another in order for them to gain black psyche-locks. Those people underwent events so traumatizing, they unsubconciously lock it deep inside their own hearts, effectively making it so that they're keeping secrets even from themselves.

There had only ever beem two such examples of black psyche-locks appearing. One, it was because the character in question was apparently so paranoid about whatever he's doing, he's keeping secrets even he's not aware of. The second was due to an incredibly traumatizing event.
Didn't Edgeworth also someone who went through a very traumatizing event (the DL-6 incident, where his father was shot and killed)?

So it's possible to break psyche-locks without even having a Magatama?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: KarjamP on 07 November 2016, 12:05:02
If Phoenix had his Magatama then, he'd most likely see black psyche-locks on Miles as well, so yes, it might be possible.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yui on 07 November 2016, 12:28:20
…

Wow.

…

I wish we get a game set before Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, but long after that Japan-exclusive game with Sherlock Holmes in it!

Playing as Gregory Edgeworth (only available in Gyakuten Kenji 2 as a flashback case), Mia Fey (only two cases available so far, which take place in the past anyway), Diego Armando (before he got poisoned)…

I also wish there were games where the player gets to play as Franziska. Or that she returns - if Larry and Maya could, then why not Franziska too?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: KarjamP on 07 November 2016, 14:45:47
You forgot Pearl Fey.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yui on 07 November 2016, 15:06:40
Pearl appeared in AA5 and AA6, though. Edgeworth as well.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Ginevra on 09 November 2016, 13:08:39
I guess I'd drink tea if I was a defense attorney in the Ace Attorney world.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: KarjamP on 09 November 2016, 13:21:17
You remind me of Godot.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Ginevra on 09 November 2016, 14:20:54
Quote from: KarjamP on 09 November 2016, 13:21:17
You remind me of Godot.
Godot runs on coffee.

Defense Attorney Ginevra Wolfhart drinks tea to remain calm. (Preferably Ceylon.)
And face-palms when dismayed.
And probably 32 animations total (if my calculations are assumed to be correct).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Bloom Leigh Seymour on 06 September 2019, 15:35:13
Re: Psyche Locks

The "e" at the end is pronounced, so people might hear "psycho" instead.

Thus, Drew Misham and Miles Edgeworth could've misheard it.

Ergo... what's the fate for "Gyakuten Saiban"?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Charlie on 05 July 2022, 20:56:21
Fans be doing some crazy stuff (https://twitter.com/TheMornal/status/1544018204388777984)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Lunatrix on 12 December 2023, 22:08:25
Well then (https://nintendoeverything.com/ace-attorney-investigations-miles-edgeworth-collection-capcom-interest/).

Perhaps one day we will get the official names for the Investigations 2 cast.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: King (2.0) on 12 December 2023, 22:17:25
Quote from: Lunatrix on 12 December 2023, 22:08:25
Well then (https://nintendoeverything.com/ace-attorney-investigations-miles-edgeworth-collection-capcom-interest/).

Perhaps one day we will get the official names for the Investigations 2 cast.
I've noticed that Capcom tend to be slow on the uptake when it comes to releasing compilations fans would be interested in. But I suppose when it does happen, it tends to work out well if the MegaMan Battle Network Legacy Collection is any indication.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: RKS on 27 December 2023, 06:43:25
… can only hope for AAI3…