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Title: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 19 October 2016, 20:13:07
That pun. I saw Gwyneth do that at Astrum 5D's, so may as well throw it in here as well. -.-

But in any event! This thread will be the discussion thread for Pokémon Sun and Moon, as a result of data-miners and whatnot. This thread will eventually be merged with the main thread, if need be; this will likely be long after people complete the game.

Bewear of spoilers here. If you don't want to be spoiled about the plot, etc. avoid this thread for the time being, okay?





If you were looking for the main Pokémon (http://lunarshadowcs.createaforum.com/entertainment-general/pokemon/) thread, the link's here (http://lunarshadowcs.createaforum.com/entertainment-general/pokemon/) (as well as the word "Pokémon").



There's a lot of speculation about the Pokémon. But that's obvious.

(This thread is basically a spoiler zone.)


EDIT:
Right, this thread will be merged with the main Pokémon thread on the first day of next year (assuming one of us staff members have that kind of time).
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 19 October 2016, 20:20:43
Note that I may still share information in that "things you never knew" thread.

Anyway, I'm choosing Rowlet, but that's only because it's Flying-type. In the end, when it comes to the final evolution starters (what they look like being leaked), I'd say Rowlet is tied with Litten for something I'd like. Popplio's evolution is too, uh, "dainty".

Anyway, the theme of these games is "the perfect bond between humanity and nature". The difference between this game and the Hoenn ones being the theme in this game is meant to be a lot strongly emphasized. Indeed, the reason why Gym Leaders were called this time in favour of those totem Pokémon is because they're more a "man" thing than a Pokémon one.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 19 October 2016, 21:03:59
I like cats a lot more than pop star seals or owls, sorry.

Some theories I've seen. (At Astrum 5D's, so I don't know what is right or wrong.)

Popplio might have better defenses.
Solgaleo and Lunala either have alternate forms, or pre-evolution forms. (The latter is highly unlikely, but not impossible.)
Ultra Beasts may possibly be obtainable. But them apparently having Shiny forms is logical (much like ?-type Arceus back in Generation IV). There are possibly 8 Ultra Beasts.
Apparently there are 100 TMs - the list remains unchanged, for the most part. Apparently, TM01 is Work Up, TM28 is Leech Life, TM76 is Fly, TM94 is Surf, TM98 is Waterfall, and TM59, TM67 and TM70 are new moves.
Apparently there are Alolan Geodude line, Alolan Diglett line and Alolan Persian. (Those are pretty much confirmed, aren't those?)
It is also theorized that Solgaleo and Lunala's shiny forms are mostly red, Sandyghast and Palossand are black in their shiny forms.
Magearna seems to have multiple forms. (If so, probably related to Soul-Heart?)
Laser Focus, Throat Chop, Aurora Veil and Psychic Terrain are new moves, apparently. Laser Focus is a guaranteed critical hit on the next turn, Throat Chop prevents use of sound-based moves for a short duration, and Aurora Veil would apparently be useful for both Special and Physical moves?
There are apparently 11 unique Z-Moves, including the revealed ones.
There is also apparently a new Poké Ball.
The last Pokémon in the new National Pokédex (… Global Pokédex?) is apparently named Marshadow, with a unique type?
There's a Ghost Trial Captain whose Totem Pokémon is Mimikyu?
It's also said that, if you capture a Pokémon while your party is full, you can send a party Pokémon to the PC instead.


Forum member Lilith linked to this picture (http://i.imgur.com/Co4dLAP.jpg).

If that picture is for real, then that means the final evolutions of the Starter Pokémon (Rowlet, Litten, Popplio) were revealed months before! :o



And the Z-Moves' power depends on the base move, along with the category? That's… interesting. Does the animation change, I wonder?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 20 October 2016, 13:59:24
I voted for Rowlett. Mainly because I had a Grass/Flying Owl starter in my own Fakemon region called Leaflet.

I feel like Nintendo spied on me and ripped me off. ;-;
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 20 October 2016, 15:46:46
https://youtu.be/-u9aQ1Z8scM (https://youtu.be/-u9aQ1Z8scM)

So different than other Tainer themes, I doubt you realize what it was when it played during some trailers. ;)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 20 October 2016, 16:29:20
I got Pokémon Moon today!

Spoiler (hover to show)

It looks like Alolan Persian has been revealed on the front cover of some upcoming Alolan Pokédex guide that's to be released in Japan in December this year. A friend of mine literally shouted "WHAT IS UP WITH THAT HEAD"…
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 09 November 2016, 23:51:25
somehow someone got Pokémon Sun or Pokémon Moon (or both) and started leaking all the details.

Including all the new Pokémon. (I found it while lurking the Internet. Damn, NeoGaf has ruined my evening.)



And it looks like Astrum 5D's already got some of the information via a text dump that Michelle (Ellen's sister) mentioned.

Why.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!?

* drinks a lot of tea at once *



A hex upon those leakers. * has Chandelure use Hex *
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 10 November 2016, 14:41:06
Ha ha.

I would pick Litten as my starter Pokémon. Because meow. Although, Incineroar is slower than Litten, I hear.

SPOILERS:
Spoiler (hover to show)
I posted the spoilers at Astrum 5D's as well, so if any questions exist, go ahead, ask. But know this: you may or may not like the answer.

Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 10 November 2016, 20:09:33
OBJECTION~OBJECTION~OBJECTION~OBJECTION~
I'M NOT LISTENING~
I'M NOT LISTENIIIING~

… reading, but you get the idea.



When does CoroCoro usually come out? 13th?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 11 November 2016, 05:49:31
I think that information's leaked from examination of the full game's ROM... which seemed to have gotten leaked ahead of its released.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 11 November 2016, 08:26:11
I think that information's leaked from examination of the full game's ROM... which seemed to have gotten leaked ahead of its released.
That's the most likely.


I'm surprised the starters' final evolutions were leaked so far before they were officially revealed (the leak being either in June, July or August) though.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 11 November 2016, 12:38:23
CoroCoro day is today, then. (If they or Nintendo have officially announced stuff, I'm okay with it, but if it was from datamining, I don't want to know it just yet. I'm odd.)

(Never knew Bulbapedia is under lock-down, so to speak; this is until the release, I take it?)

Two new Ultra Beasts have been revealed, but their code-names are unknown. (Assuming things like "UB-02 Beauty" is a codename.)

There's also some kind of black Pokémon that looks wicked weird.

Oh, and Decidueye and Incineroar have Z-Moves. Sinister Arrows Strike and Hyper Dark Crusher.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 11 November 2016, 13:18:47
They do that all the time when a game gets released. Apparently has to do wth reliable information or something.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 11 November 2016, 15:30:04
(If they or Nintendo have officially announced stuff, I'm okay with it, but if it was from datamining, I don't want to know it just yet. I'm odd.)
I like cats a lot more than pop star seals or owls, sorry.

Some theories I've seen. (At Astrum 5D's, so I don't know what is right or wrong.)

Popplio might have better defenses.
Solgaleo and Lunala either have alternate forms, or pre-evolution forms. (The latter is highly unlikely, but not impossible.)
Ultra Beasts may possibly be obtainable. But them apparently having Shiny forms is logical (much like ?-type Arceus back in Generation IV). There are possibly 8 Ultra Beasts.
Apparently there are 100 TMs - the list remains unchanged, for the most part. Apparently, TM01 is Work Up, TM28 is Leech Life, TM76 is Fly, TM94 is Surf, TM98 is Waterfall, and TM59, TM67 and TM70 are new moves.
Apparently there are Alolan Geodude line, Alolan Diglett line and Alolan Persian. (Those are pretty much confirmed, aren't those?)
It is also theorized that Solgaleo and Lunala's shiny forms are mostly red, Sandyghast and Palossand are black in their shiny forms.
Magearna seems to have multiple forms. (If so, probably related to Soul-Heart?)
Laser Focus, Throat Chop, Aurora Veil and Psychic Terrain are new moves, apparently. Laser Focus is a guaranteed critical hit on the next turn, Throat Chop prevents use of sound-based moves for a short duration, and Aurora Veil would apparently be useful for both Special and Physical moves?
There are apparently 11 unique Z-Moves, including the revealed ones.
There is also apparently a new Poké Ball.
The last Pokémon in the new National Pokédex (… Global Pokédex?) is apparently named Marshadow, with a unique type?
There's a Ghost Trial Captain whose Totem Pokémon is Mimikyu?
It's also said that, if you capture a Pokémon while your party is full, you can send a party Pokémon to the PC instead.


Forum member Lilith linked to this picture (http://i.imgur.com/Co4dLAP.jpg).

If that picture is for real, then that means the final evolutions of the Starter Pokémon (Rowlet, Litten, Popplio) were revealed months before! :o



And the Z-Moves' power depends on the base move, along with the category? That's… interesting. Does the animation change, I wonder?
Contradiction, much? Or did things change, hmm?

If you guys have questions about what I have learned of these games, go ahead and ask me. I will post them in spoilers, of course. I don't bite… anymore. I'm quite tame now.

Two new Ultra Beasts have been revealed, but their code-names are unknown. (Assuming things like "UB-02 Beauty" is a codename.)

There's also some kind of black Pokémon that looks wicked weird.

Oh, and Decidueye and Incineroar have Z-Moves. Sinister Arrows Strike and Hyper Dark Crusher.
I know about them.
Spoiler: "Who they are" (hover to show)
SPOILERS, OBVIOUSLY. Again.

They do that all the time when a game gets released. Apparently has to do wth reliable information or something.
Given the dataminers, that makes sense.



With that said, I think the radar is shattered this generation.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 11 November 2016, 19:48:51
The only thing Bloom had to comment on regarding Steenee and Tsareena was… the evolution method (level up while knowing a certain move that led to her mind going into the NSFW zone. :(

So what's the new moves, abilities, items, Pokémon and outfit options?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 13 November 2016, 12:28:59
… I am not copying and pasting all my posts from Astrum. However, I will oblige in regards to the fourth one.

But more spoilers.
Spoiler: Tauros and Miltank (hover to show)

And evolution methods. This contains massive spoilers, but excludes the Alolan Forms. I have yet to find information on them. Ha ha ha.
Spoiler: Evolutions for Gen VII Pokémon (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Karina on 13 November 2016, 20:07:51
SHELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY •_•


… *yawn* Why do you know information that none of us should know yet?
Are you someone who got the game before you should have?

The games come out on the 18th and thus isn't it illegal to post every bit of information from those that have not been officially revealed yet?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 14 November 2016, 04:11:16
Leaked information from those who apparently leaked the ROMs before the game got released.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Dianke on 14 November 2016, 08:05:40
Get lit. *Litten uses Ember resulting in KarjamP's hair comically catching fire*

In the seriousness that befits such a "threatening" thread, we get even more type combinations finally used.

From the revealed Pokémon:
Dark/Normal is already used by the Alolan Rattata line.
Electric/Psychic is used by Alolan Raichu.
Ice/Steel is used by the Alolan Sandshrew line.
Ice/Fairy is used by Alolan Ninetales.
Bug/Fairy is used by the Cutiefly line.
Ghost/Fairy is used by Mimikyu <3
Normal/Dragon is used by grandpa Drampa.
Dragon/Fighting is used by the Jangmo-o line (though Jangmo-o itself is pure Dragon).

From the unrevealed (thus far) Pokémon: spoilers. They are currently all Spoiler-type (it being their tertiary type) until officially revealed.
Spoiler: Unrevealed stuff (hover to show)

Not that much, I suppose.



EDIT:
More spoilers.
Spoiler: To spoil, or not to spoil, that is the question (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 14 November 2016, 09:57:25
I'd rather prefer knowing spoilers when the game's actually released...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Gardevoir Girl on 14 November 2016, 10:06:21
I see no love for Popplio?

Nonetheless, I concur with KarjamP.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Lucia on 14 November 2016, 11:13:44
Scuba diving is apparently a thing?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 14 November 2016, 18:56:48
And more evolution-related info.

Spoiler: Updates (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 15 November 2016, 13:20:57
Rowlet's now starting to look pretty shaky...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 15 November 2016, 13:29:35
Rowlet's now starting to look pretty shaky...
First Game Freak rips me off by making a Grass Type Owl starter, then they proceed to mess it up.



Game Freak why.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 15 November 2016, 14:02:38
I did not mean that literally, by the way.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 15 November 2016, 14:40:56
I did not mean that literally, by the way.
Too bad, I took it literally.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Evelyn on 15 November 2016, 15:39:03
Rowlet's now starting to look pretty shaky...
How so?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 15 November 2016, 17:07:59
Stat-wise.

Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 15 November 2016, 17:33:47
How so?
You guys don't get it, do you?

Have you not realized Rowlet lost a vote?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Evelyn on 15 November 2016, 18:23:02
I didn't even notice the poll /(O_O)\

Well, Rowlet gained one \(^o^\) (|^o^|) (/^o^)/ (|^o^|) \(^o^\)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 15 November 2016, 19:33:59
IGN seems to have a page on version differences (http://ca.ign.com/wikis/pokemon-sun-pokemon-moon/Pokemon_Sun_and_Moon_Version_Differences) at the time.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 16 November 2016, 09:39:53
Psy.

Spoiler (hover to show)

Also, "psy" is pronounced similarly to "sigh", I guess.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Malice on 16 November 2016, 19:26:46
GREETINGS, once…

Oh. You. You are here.
I thought you were banned.

But NO MATTER!

Nintendo strikes again. I think (http://kotaku.com/players-who-pirated-pokemon-sun-and-moon-say-nintendo-i-1789039343).

The people who got the games so early (illegally) had their Nintendo 3DS systems (those that had unauthorized game code) banned from the online network (that's effective immediately).

Only problem now is, some of those people who are banned, they go and purchase a new Nintendo 3DS, extract all its info, injects it into the banned 3DS, and return the new 3DS again.

And then some people purchase a new 3DS, extracting all of its information and injecting that into the banned 3DS, and return the new 3DS to the retailers again. Have they absolutely NO shame whatsoever?

And then there are those who are already creating a program that lets people sent fake Pokémon into the Pokémon Sun and Moon games (Pokémon that would normally not be possible to obtain, like Shiny Legendary Pokémon or Shiny Starter Pokémon holding rare items). How. DARE. They.

You guys who get the games, take a long, hard look at whatever Pokémon you receive in a trade (that's not in-game, probably). Just in case.

I hope Game Freak does something about it for their first patch.



The same site says that the Pokédex entries are getting really dark.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 16 November 2016, 19:38:25
I'd say, "serves them right".
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/6/6b/PWAADD_Take_that%21.png/revision/latest?cb=20140217205639)

But… what if they serve Wright?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 16 November 2016, 19:59:20
They had it coming, had they?

Well, just goes to show that people will do anything to learn everything about the games, even far before release.



At least the anime debuts soon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 16 November 2016, 22:20:18
How I love double posts.

Spoiler: SPOILERS (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Cosette on 17 November 2016, 11:42:10
Spoiler (hover to show)
* thread melts down *
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 13:50:28
Those who got their copies early (due to online distribution or something) and went online apparently got banned too?

Anyhow. This thread will be merged with the main Pokémon thread on 1 January 2017, assuming one of the staff members have the time to do so.

I believe we ought to have a spoiler policy put in place - namely, anything related to these games go in this thread, and only this thread, at least until a few weeks. But that's just my thoughts on the matter. My thoughts, alone, do not matter; it is with the thoughts of others that a decision on this matter can be reached. (Something like that?)

Anyhow. It looks like Serebii has begun his discoveries (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?655039-Serebii-s-Pok%E9mon-Sun-amp-Moon-Discovery-Thread). (Though, can you even call them that after the leakers did what they did? It kinda ruins the sense of discovering things for yourself. Usually. Not that certain people seem to mind.)

Note that the linked thread is full of spoilers, so avoid it if you don't want to know ahead of time what happens there. Although, given the pirates and leakers, most spoilers are probably already revealed by now?



EDIT:
Spoiler (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 15:31:24
Dark Void can only be used by Darkrai. Smeargle's Dark Void or Assist Dark Void will fail.

A few moves now have 101 accuracy for some reason.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 16:12:48
Farfetch'd has gained a large boost to Attack!

In XY, its base Attack was 65. In SM, it's 90.

They also made Electrode a little bit faster, and other stat updates here (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/updatedstats.shtml).
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 17 November 2016, 16:23:23
A little faster to explode, eh?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 16:36:19


150 base speed (from 140).

And it can learn Explosion.



Oh.




Pyukumuku has a Poison-type signature move, Purify.

Ribombee has a signature move that will damage an enemy target, but heal an ally target.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 16:53:37
Burn Up removes the Fire-type from the user.

Currently, the only known users are Moltres (Level 99), Cyndaquil (Level 58), Quilava (Level 68), Typhlosion (Level 74), Growlithe and Arcanine (through breeding).

Aside from Moltres (which becomes pure-Flying-type, I guess), the other users all lose their type. What this means, is yet unknown, but it's possible they no longer have weaknesses or resistances.



EDIT:
What's Blush Mountain?
Apparently the place to evolve Charjabug to Vikavolt, by "Electric Rock"?
Where Magneton and Nosepass can also evolve?

And Crabrawler needs snow from the top of Mount Lanakina to evolve?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 17 November 2016, 17:09:17
I was wondering if there was going to be a new Pokémon that involves within an electromagnetic area.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 17:18:26
On the Battery page of Serebii, Basculin is listed as a Pokémon that can have it… as a Bug/Electric-type.
On the Dancer page of Serebii, Kyurem is listed as a Pokémon that can have it… as a Fire/Flying-type.

Those are more than likely accidental.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 17 November 2016, 19:50:01
Out of all the new Pokémon (Alolan Pokémon included), it looks like Cosmog, Cosmoem, and Magearna cannot learn Toxic at all.

Cosmog and Cosmoem can't learn any TMs at all, period. Cosmog learns Splash and Teleport. Cosmoem learns Cosmic Power and Teleport. That's about it.
The base stats for the Cosmog line? Let's see…
Name (Type)AbilityBase Stat TotalHPAttackDefenseSp. AtkSp. DefSpeed
Cosmog (Psychic)Unaware200432931293137
Cosmoem (Psychic)Sturdy40043291312913137
Solgaleo (Psychic/Steel)Full Metal Body6801371371071138987
Lunala (Psychic/Ghost)Shadow Shield6801371138913710797
As is normal for Legendary Pokémon, the Cosmog line cannot breed (not even with Ditto).
Solgaleo and Lunala both have moves they can learn from earlier levels - yet they evolve from Cosmoem at level 53.
By leveling up after evolution, Solgaleo learns Noble Roar (level 59), Flare Blitz (level 61), Wide Guard (level 67) and Giga Impact (level 73). The other moves it can learn by level up will have to be taught to it by Move Reminder or TM, it seems.
Similarly, Lunala learns these moves by level up: Dream Eater (level 59), Phantom Force (level 61), Wide Guard (level 67) and Hyper Beam (level 73). Other moves learned by level up also have to be taught by Move Reminder or TM.

Incidentally, this makes Solgaleo and Lunala the only Legendary Pokémon that can legitimately have Splash as a move.

The Alolan Geodude line is Rock/Electric. That's shocking. What's more, their Hidden Ability is Galvanize, which is like the Electric-type variation of Refrigerate.

Quote from: Necrozma's Moon Entry
Light is apparently the source of its energy. It has an extraordinarily vicious disposition and is constantly firing off laser beams.
Quote from: Necrozma's Moon Entry
   Reminiscent of the Ultra Beasts, this life-form, apparently asleep underground, is thought to have come from another world in ancient times.

This Generation does not have Hidden Machines anymore. It looks like Surf, Waterfall, and Fly have become regular TMs now, but it looks like all former HMs have either become TMs or aren't TMs or HMs anymore.

Dazzling Gleam still is the only Fairy-type TM, so far.

Magearna can learn Aura Sphere.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 17 November 2016, 20:57:47
Anabel looks… wow.

Various of the VS images may look like duplicates, but there are some minor differences (one female Ace Trainer may have a watch or something, while another may not, it looks like).

There also seems to be a masked Trainer.

Spoiler (hover to show)

Z-Moves also have their own images with the names appearing. Notably, unique ones like Catastropika are in a different font, it seems.

HMs are indeed gone for these games.

Paralysis now halves your Speed rather than dropping it to a quarter.

Thunder Wave's accuracy was reduced from 100 to 90.

The chance of hitting yourself when confused is now 1/3.

Spoiler (hover to show)

The Strange Souvenir is unchanged. So it has no use yet?

Once again, there are no new fossil Pokémon (just like in Generation II).

Super Potions restore 60 HP.
Hyper Potions restore 120 HP and cost 1500 Poké Dollars.

X-Defend and similar items now raise stats by two stages, not one.

Youngster Joey has a Metapod. (Damn. So much for an Alolan variant of Johto's Joey with the top percentage of Rattata. Oh, wait, this Joey probably has the top percentage of Metapod.)

Spoiler (hover to show)

Spoiler (hover to show)

Most Trainers' Pokémon apparently have a Serious nature. (What?)

Quite a lot of Trainers apparently have Level 5 Yungoos with a Serious nature, no EVs, IVs or moves. (These are probably just placeholders.)

Spoiler (hover to show)

There are two Office Workers. One named Shane, and one named Michelle. (Sadly, no Trainers named "Ellen", "Kushagra", or "Richard".)

Spoiler (hover to show)

Battle Royals appear to be a battle facility?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 18 November 2016, 00:39:55
HMs are indeed gone for these games.
Nuuuu ;-;
Now how will I get my Bidoof to learn Surf and rexy rekt everyone?

There are two Office Workers. One named Shane, and one named Michelle. (Sadly, no Trainers named "Ellen", "Kushagra", or "Richard".)
I don't think there would ever be a video game character with the name Kushagra because my name is so archaic.

Also "Kush" means Death or Slaughterer in Persian.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 07:15:40
Quote from: Serebii
[…] and a tree will attack you
That's… certainly one way of explaining an Alolan Exeggutor attack.

"Help! Help! I'm being attacked!"
"By what?"
"A-a-a A PALM TREEEEEEEEE--" * Dragon Hammer'd *

Nuuuu ;-;
Now how will I get my Bidoof to learn Surf and rexy rekt everyone?
I don't think there would ever be a video game character with the name Kushagra because my name is so archaic.
Surf, Fly and Waterfall are now TMs.

Also "Kush" means Death or Slaughterer in Persian.
Explains the tons of Heartless that were recently slaughtered.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 07:26:39
Alolan Grimer and Alolan Muk have the hidden ability "Power of Alchemy", which is pretty much the exact same ability as Passimian's "Receiver".

And as Richard has so helpfully pointed out so early in the morning:
Gengar no longer has levitate as an ability (which, incidentslly, doesn't make much sense since it has always been portrayed as touching the floor).

Instead, he now has Cursed Body. Any move done to him will have a 30% chance of being disable
Drizzle and Drought are now a lot more readily available as they've been made the secondary abilities of the Wingul line and Torkoal, respectively.

In addition, Gigalith and Vanilluxr now have Sand Stream and Snow Warning as their respective secondary abilities. (their pre-evolutions have Weak Armour and Snow Cloak instead, respectively.)

Indeed, Gengar lost Levitate to obtain Cursed Body.
Raikou, Entei and Suicune now have Inner Focus in place of Volt Absorb, Flash Fire and Water Absorb, respectively…
Wingull has Hydration as a new secondary ability, while Pelipper indeed has Drizzle as a new secondary ability.
And Torkoal certainly has Drought as an ability. (What was Ash's Torkoal's ability again?)
Roggenrola and Boldore chose that rock and roll is better than a boulder, so they have Weak Armor as a new secondary ability. Meanwhile, Sand Stream is Gigalith's second ability.
Vanillite and Vanillish were always the vanilla ice cream Pokémon, but they now have Snow Cloak as secondary abilities, while Vanilluxe is now with Snow Warning as a secondary ability.
Cubchoo and Beartic gain the new ability, Slush Rush, which boosts their Speed stat in a hailstorm. As such, they, as well as Alolan Sandshrew and Alolan Sandslash (who has it as a hidden ability), are the only Pokémon known at this point to have those abilities.

Lastly, Richard lost his Normal-type to become Heart-type. :P

Spoiler: Disclaimer (hover to show)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 18 November 2016, 07:41:43
Surf, Fly and Waterfall are now TMs.
wtf

single use only?

how

gamefreak you f**ked up

Explains the tons of Heartless that were recently slaughtered.
Heartless, so basically like Gwyneth or something?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 07:48:00
Er, TMs are not single-use.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 18 November 2016, 08:18:50
Er, TMs are not single-use.
Oh wait, right, keep forgetting that they got made re-usable in Gen V.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 18 November 2016, 08:55:19
No, the heartless were like the ones from Dragon Riders.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 12:29:32
Tapu Bulu: Ruins of Abundance.
Tapu Fini: Ruins of Hope.
Tapu Koko: Ruins of Conflict.
Tapu Lele: Ruins of Life.

Gee, I hope that life is an abundance of conflict. [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 13:37:17
And now, for the Alolan counterparts of the members of these forums, or perhaps the other forums (Astrum/Astrum GX/Astrum 5D's).

Aimee gets to be an Ace Trainer with an Alolan Ninetales.
Lynn gets to be a Veteran with Starmie, Shiinotic and Talonflame.
I, Michelle, am an Office Worker with Torkoal, Seaking and Leafeon.
Sarah gets to be a Preschooler with a Corsola.
Jessica gets to be an Office Worker with Clefairy.
Shane's an Office Worker with a Psyduck and a Fearow.
Alexis gets to be an Ace Trainer with a Goomy and a Sylveon.

… are Office Workers the Alolan counterpart of the Clerk Trainer Class?

There were theories that the Aether Foundation were the bad guys.
Spoiler (hover to show)

Team Skull are a villainous team, that much has been confirmed.
Spoiler (hover to show)

The Captains are obviously important.
Spoiler: Captains (hover to show)

And now, the Island Kahunas! *cheering sounds*
Spoiler: Island Kahunas (hover to show)

And what's next? Spoilers.
Spoiler: The Spoiler Region (hover to show)

Oh, and it looks like Poké Rides (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/pokeride.shtml) may be replacing HMs this time around; it looks like Surf can't be used on the overworld anymore. Not sure about Fly, but Drampa can learn it by level up.

Starters are obtained in Iki Town. (We just need Ryou Town.)

Dexio and Sina return in these games, and can be battled.
Spoiler (hover to show)

As expected, GAME FREAK Morimoto appears.
Spoiler (hover to show)

Hold items data discovered, please wait.
Spoiler (hover to show)

The tree that battles. The Battle Tree!
Spoiler (hover to show)

According to EuroGamer, Pokémon Sun and Moon will get a follow-up headed to the Nintendo Switch next year, with the codename Pokémon Stars. Trading would be possible between SM and Stars, but there's a rumor that more creatures would be obtainable in the Switch version.

If that is true, this means a return to the usual "third version" thing that Generations V and VI skipped (V opting for sequels and VI opting for remakes or RS).
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 13:46:27
Necrozma is not an Ultra Beast.

Spoiler (hover to show)

S.O.S. Battles (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/sosbattle.shtml). Too much information (and spoilery) so I'm not posting too much about it. :P

It looks like there are five Zygarde Cores.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 18 November 2016, 13:51:03
Tapu Fini: Ruins of Hope.
Tapu Lele: Ruins of Life.
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/mspaintadventures/images/a/a8/Hope_Outline.png/revision/latest?cb=20130211061115)
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/mspaintadventures/images/e/e6/Life.png/revision/latest?cb=20130129080339)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 18 November 2016, 16:08:40
You know, may as well get Rowlet anyway, if only because its third stage evolution is an archer.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 18 November 2016, 17:02:50
Cue the inevitable Robin Hoot joke. Oh, wait, this very post is exactly that just by saying the first sentence. :P


So, Shiny-locked Pokémon. An annoyance, right? You don't get to obtain a cool shiny red Solgaleo or whatever.
The Island Guardians (the four Tapu Pokémon), the Cosmog line, all of the Ultra Beasts, and Necrozma are all coded to not appear Shiny. As such, Shiny variants of those Pokémon will likely be available either as event Pokémon, or in a future game.
There are seven Island Trials, but only six Trial Captains have created Trials: Ilima, Kiawe, Lana, Mallow, Sophocles and Acerola. The seventh Trial Captain is Mina, but she hasn't created a Trial yet.

It seems you have a Trainer Passport.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 18 November 2016, 17:24:57
There is a seventh trial, alright. It's just not created by her.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 19 November 2016, 06:11:02
I think I'll just leave my vote off otogether.

Kept changing my mind.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 19 November 2016, 07:54:01
Hyper Training alters the IVs, but said alteration applies only in battle, remaining unchanged for other purposes?

Weak Armor raises the Speed stat by two stages now.
Prankster will fail when its user uses a priority move targeting a Dark-type opponent; that move will still work on allied Dark-types.
Gale Wings will now only activate if the Pokémon is at full HP (100%).
Parental Bond's second hit deals 25% of the first hit's damage (from 50%).

Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 19 November 2016, 08:08:08
Apparently, Professor Kukui's wife is a character introduced a few Generations back: Professor Burnet.

The XP system from the Unova games are used here again.

A possible Poké Finder comment? "7.8/10 Too much water."

The very first Youngster met in the game - a random NPC, basically, who serves as your first opponent (or so I read)? Apparently, he is one of the Trainers who can challenge you as Alola's champion.

Lillie and Gladion are the children of Lusamine?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 19 November 2016, 08:40:12
Can't believe that they referenced that meme.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kushagra on 19 November 2016, 08:53:11
Can't believe that they referenced that meme.
This. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GettingCrapPastTheRadar)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 19 November 2016, 09:30:38
Multitype changes type based on the held Plate, right?

Well, now it looks like the held Z-Crystal also changes the type of a Pokémon with Multitype. That's another advantage over Silvally then.

(I blame the "Rainbow Dragon Eater".)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 19 November 2016, 11:25:12
Makes sense.

Okay, then, Grass-type Arceus. Use Bloom Doom!
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ariana on 19 November 2016, 12:26:36
She won't be bringing any doom for… no idea how long. With her kitten having been killed in front of her several weeks ago, and Dia in a coma…

But that's going off the rails for this thread.
Going by Serebii here…

Litten (and its evolutions) are the only Alolan Starter Pokémon to not have a new Ability as a Hidden Ability (Rowlet line gets Long Reach, Popplio line gets Liquid Voice). Instead, they get Intimidate.

Zygarde has five Cores and 95 Cells, it seems.

Gible, Beldum, Goomy and Trapinch lines aren't version exclusives.

You get an Eevee egg, a Porygon, an Aerodactyl, and a Type: Null at various points in the story (as gifts).
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 19 November 2016, 18:31:48
Apparently, Global Link artwork of all the new Pokémon have appeared, except for a few:

After Alolan Raticate, is a missing image (020-02).
After Mimikyu, there are two missing images (778-02 and 778-03).
After Magearna, there are two more missing images (801-01 and 802-00).

The numbers seem to correspond to their National Pokédex numbers.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 20 November 2016, 10:05:17
Evolution Moves (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/evolutionmoves.shtml). Those are how Solgaleo learns Sunsteel Strike and how Lunala learns Moongeist Beam. And how Silvally learns Multi-Attack, and a way for Alolan Raichu to learn Psychic. (Not sidekick.)
Except, it seems to be bugged?
Kadabra learns Confusion at level 16, yet due to the Evolution Moves, it tries to learn Kinesis instead.

We finally get an Ice Stone, and only two Pokémon evolve with it. -.-

The Strange Souvenir depicts a mysterious "guardian deity" Pokémon. Doesn't look like a Tapu to me.

Legendary Orbs are purchased. The horror.

Pikachu can only be found in the wild through SOS battles. Noooooooooo. (Sarcastic Michelle is sarcastic without being a cat.)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Kim Tyranto on 20 November 2016, 16:26:36
Greninja's base stats: HP 72 / Attack 95 / Defense 67 / Sp. Atk 103 / Sp. Def 71 / Speed 122
Ash-Greninja's base stats: HP 72 / Attack 145 / Defense 67 / Sp. Atk 153 / Sp. Def 71 / Speed 132

That's a 110 BST increase (from 530 to 640).

Makes me wonder about Ash-Pikachu (seeing as Ash's Pikachu beat a Tyranitar and a Metagross).

Zygarde has multiple forms, of course. Their base stats:
10%: HP 54 / Attack 100 / Defense 71 / Sp. Atk 61 / Sp. Def 85 / Speed 115
50%: HP 108 / Attack 100 / Defense 121 / Sp. Atk 81 / Sp. Def 95 / Speed 95
100%: HP 216 / Attack 100 / Defense 121 / Sp. Atk 91 / Sp. Def 95 / Speed 85

It goes from a 486 BST Pokémon to a 600 BST Pokémon, and goes from that to a 708 BST Pokémon (based on stats).

Then, there's Wishiwashi. A wishy-washy Pokémon, right?

Solo Form: HP 45 / Attack 20 / Defense 20 / Sp. Atk 25 / Sp. Def 25 / Speed 40
School Form: HP 45 / Attack 140 / Defense 130 / Sp. Atk 140 / Sp. Def 135 / Speed 30

From 175 BST to 620 BST. That's a higher BST than several Legendary Pokémon, including the Island Guardians who all have a BST of 570. I'm amazed.
And now, for even more things that amaze me.

By the top highest base stats:
Top 5 for HP: Blissey (255), Chansey (230), Guzzlord (223), Zygarde Complete Forme (216) and Wobbuffet (190).
Top 4 for Attack: Mega Mewtwo X (190), Mega Heracross (185), Kartana (181), Mega Rayquaza, Primal Groudon and Deoxys Attack Forme (180).
Top 2 for Defense: Mega Aggron, Mega Steelix, Shuckle (230), Regirock and Steelix (200).
Top 4 for Sp. Atk: Mega Mewtwo Y (194), Mega Rayquaza, Primal Kyogre and Deoxys Attack Forme (180), Mega Alakazam (175) and Xurkitree (173).
Top 3 for Sp. Def: Shuckle (230), Regice (200), Primal Kyogre and Deoxys Defense Forme (160).
Top 3 for Speed: Deoxys Speed Forme (180), Ninjask (160) and Pheromosa (151).
Top 4 for base stat totals: Mega Mewtwo X, Mega Mewtwo Y and Mega Rayquaza (780), Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre (770), Arceus (720) and Zygarde Complete Forme (708).

I just realized "Xurkitree" sounds a bit like "circuitry".

(And a lot of the new Pokémon are slow compared to other Generations, or so I hear. :o )
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Ginevra on 20 November 2016, 19:49:37
Well hello what's this (https://twitter.com/ScuzBrains/status/800137764377427972)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Karina on 20 November 2016, 20:08:36
Well hello what's this (https://twitter.com/ScuzBrains/status/800137764377427972)
Yokai Watch stuff can lead to other Pokémon!?
Or am I mistaken here?

Either way. That seems odd, but oh well…
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 21 November 2016, 04:57:23
Might be a fake. Youkai coins look nothing like a QR code.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Evelyn on 21 November 2016, 12:06:59
You can switch worlds (http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/altworld.shtml)! \(^o^)/
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Karina on 22 November 2016, 21:19:10
Saving in the Battle Tree or a Pokémon Center may result in a bug.

Not sure what, but if Serebii says so… then he says so (https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/801132058932379650).

Does Kartana really have a catch rate of 255?
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 23 November 2016, 10:08:34
Rayquaza can't Mega Evolve if it's holding a Z-Crystal. (Good thing, too. Mega Rayquaza + Z-Move = total devastation.)

Alolan Raichu's origins are still unknown, even in-universe; they're assuming it's because of pancakes?

This generation's Pokémon Breeders looks a lot like Sinnoh's Belle and Pa Trainer class.

That bug? It's just as a result of editing the in-game files with stuff like PKHeX. It's no bug.

There's a dish that uses an Eggant Berry - an e-Reader exclusive Berry from Gen III.

Oh, it looks like all of the villainous teams have their own TV Tropes articles now. Boring.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 23 November 2016, 20:49:30
Z-Metronome gets you a random Z-Move.

(Will Metronome call KarjamP? Oh, wait, he's a Trainer, not a move. My bad. Although "Richard" was Present Draconian for "wisdom", back in the days long gone…)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 24 November 2016, 04:58:13
"Z-Splash!"

Oh? Nothing seems to had happened... *proceeds to sweep the rest of the team using Gyarados*
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 24 November 2016, 10:01:24
Alright then. I've sent Ash-Greninja to my game and got the event Munchlax.

Who knows? I might use him to help me capture some Pokémon. After all, it has Hold Back like the Celebi and Shiny Metagross I have at the moment...
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 24 November 2016, 10:17:09
Oh, Metronome did call KarjamP. Wonder how loud it shouted before he came?
Spoiler (hover to show)

Apparently some Pokémon are actually talking. (Like one saying "IT IS TIME" when being battled.)
There is, of course, the possibility of Rotom translating it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 24 November 2016, 12:12:51
*Prompt for Pokémon Refresh appears*

*Presses it*

*Takes care of Pokémon real quick*

*Proceed to pet the Pokémon*

*Closes Pokémon Refresh*

*Story-related cutscene continues post-battle*

Apparently, no one noticed me playing with my Pokémon one bit.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 24 November 2016, 16:53:41
Incidentally, the Rotom Dex actually provides its own commentary at whatever's going on within the game world. So far, it just seems to do so for story-related events and places of interest, but I don't know.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Gardevoir Girl on 24 November 2016, 17:57:32
Somewhere in Alola, Sudowoodo fear Waterium Z.
This being because Lana used a Water-type Z Move, apparently?
The lowest Base Power for Hydro Vortex is 100 (six moves), and the highest is 200 (two moves).
No wonder.

Incidentally, using V-Create for the Inferno Overdrive Z-Move leads to it being a Physical 220 BP move. (Add in STAB and use it on a Bug/Steel-type that had Forest's Curse used on it to make it Bug/Steel/Grass, and… ouch.)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 25 November 2016, 10:23:48
Sun and Moon reveals that Colress was actually researching Mega-Evolution before going to Alola to research the Z-Moves.

(Be glad that he's technically neutral, neither good nor evil.)
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: Michelle on 01 December 2016, 15:57:59
Didn't take long for the graphical assets to end up on Spriter's Resource.
Title: Re: Pokémon Sun and Moon (Major Spoiler Warnings, Bewear)
Post by: KarjamP on 01 December 2016, 17:02:57
Incidentally, the Rotom Dex actually provides its own commentary at whatever's going on within the game world. So far, it just seems to do so for story-related events and places of interest, but I don't know.

Update: Since post-games of every mainline Pokémon title tend to become like sandbox games, during Sun and Moon's post-game, Dex Rotom will no longer point to where you must go next.

It'll still try to do commentary, however, but this time, it just says random things. Random things that no longer mean anything relevant to what you have to do.